Is it possible to track withdrawal dates (or dates students' access was disabled?
Hi Adrian Jarrell ! Do you use some sort of integration (like SIS) to create and remove or disable enrollments? If so, that data is probably in the LMS which generates the SIS push.
"I" don't do anything to disable enrollments. It's handled by the IT guys on campus.
I'm sorry to say that I don't understand what and "SIS push" is. I'm reading up on it right now, but I'm just a poor little instructor trying to track withdrawal stats for my classes to see what I might learn.
You can use the following depends on faculty or institutional definitions:
1. Last date of a submitted assignment (course participation)
2. Last access date of the course (available in the grade center)
3. Last attendance date (classroom presence in a hybrid course or last access date in an online course)
4. Date present in Banner or PeopleSoft course enrollment as the date for W grade
Thanks. Those are all good ideas. The problem at my college is that the withdrawal date has no correlation with any of those. It's a specific date assigned through the student withdrawal process. Students who fail to submit assignments creates the situation where they will be withdrawn, but the actual withdrawal dates that I have to track comes from outside BlackBoard. Students who have been dropped from a course continue to show up in the list of users as a "Guest" with no access. There could be other guests in the course that aren't students so that's a little tricky. But there are no dates - that I can find - telling me when a student's status changed from "student" to "guest".
I have found a way to individually get those dates elsewhere... and in the future I'll just make sure I keep up with it myself as the semester progresses. I was just hoping there was an easy way to extract that from BlackBoard.
Adrian Jarrell Sorry I got busy yesterday and distracted. If another system is interfacing with Blackboard, and from your comment it sounds possible, can you not go to that system outside Blackboard and retrieve your data? SIS, by the way, is one means available in Blackboard for automatic communication to take place with another system whereby that other system generates enrollments, user account creation / disabling, course creation (or copy), dis-enrollments (or disabling of enrollments), and recently, completions.
Well, there's the rub. I USED to be able to retrieve that data for the class as a whole. That functionality has been removed from that system. By some digging I found a way to find it student-by-student. It takes some time to ferret it all out, but it is available so I guess I should be happy.
Thanks for your help.
"There could be other guests in the course that aren't students so that's a little tricky." -- Who controls allowing "guests" in your course?
That is controlled by other people. It may include observers (my boss, for example), BlackBoard administrators here on campus, IT people, etc. It will also include dropped students.
Doesn't that make you feel like they're looking over your shoulder in your course? And don't all those uninvited guests make sending emails to the whole class more time-consuming as you probably want to exclude including those guests in your class email distribution list, so it takes more time to hand-select the student recipients one-by-one than using "send all" instead?
Re: 2. Last access date of the course
If a student logs into Blackboard via a smartphone instead of a lap/desktop, does Blackboard record that login?
Yes, it does. But again, the last date of access is not the withdrawal date. Depending on the class policies in the syllabus, the last date of an assignment submission can impact the withdrawal date, but it doesn't determine what that is.
Again, thanks for all the help. I've just decided to figure it out using other sources and let BlackBoard do its thing.
I asked b/c I understand that Moodle does not necessarily count all internal contacts if students use a smartphone to login (e.g. accessed course content does not show up in activity reports if the student uses a smartphone to login).
Just to confirm... Assuming that "withdrawn" in your Learn system means that the enrollment record has been disabled, there isn't anything definitive in Learn that will tell you exactly when that change occurred. In the database you might assume that the DTMODIFIED for COURSE_USER reflects that change, but it might not be 100%.
You hit the nail on the head. As I was thinking about this yesterday I realized what I was saying. Since the systems are separate there won't be any way for BlackBoard to have the data recorded. Duh! Thanks!
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